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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2014, 04:54:15 pm »

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2014, 08:47:10 pm »
I should also have mentioned the Chemist I had the discussion with is an avid bike and car enthusiast. He has had a ktm 950 for many years and done some hard kilometres on it and also rides an HD softail for the street. Neither bike had ever had the brand specified oil and both bikes are pretty long in the tooth and still going strong.

His rule of thumb was always to change no later than 75% of the rec distance/hours. If your concerned, rich, anal or enjoy doing a service, or have maybe raced Baja or been in very dusty conditions, do it at 50%.

That's pretty much what a lot of riders do I gather. Like it's said, "an oil change is pretty cheap, a motor change isn't".

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2014, 04:58:43 pm »
Yup. Motor rebuilds ain't cheap. So if you're into being "cheap", you'll more than likely get whats coming to ya. I ended up buying some Motul 10w60 instead of the Motorex. Saved like $20 but don't believe I'm comprimising quality. I as well believe $$$=marketing strategies. So, I think I'll go with Motul from now on and change every 3K on the spot.  :P
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2014, 03:56:19 am »
Motorex 10w50 is listed in the manual as an alternative engine oil for the 690 and is about $15 cheaper than 10w60 per 4 liters. Its used in cooler climates and is recommended by KTM. While the bike is under warranty I will use Motorex so if there were to be an engine issue KTM cant use the oil as an excuse.. After warranty I plan on running Rotella. Thats good oil you guys & tons of people use it in their bikes. Its made for diesels & has very little moly in it. (Moly is suppose to be bad for your wet clutch) Get a gallon for about $21.74 at Walmart. Whatever oil you use, change it at about 2500 miles & keep it topped off in between and you will have a happy engine.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2014, 06:03:33 am »
I used Rotella in my 625 smc with no problems.  In my '09 690 Duke I used Spectro 10/50 semi-synthetic with no problems and Motul in my two-strokes.  As stated before... stay on top of your oil changes and you shouldn't have any problems.  I spoke with a race bike engine builder at one of my local shops and he preferred semi-synthetics to full synthetics.  He demonstrated that you can feel the difference in lubricity, is that a word, when you rub it between your fingers.  The semi did feel slicker than the full synthetic.  He said to change the oil a little more often.  Also, he said to stay away from Royal Purple.  He said every race engine he built which used Royal Purple, didn't last long.  Once he stopped using Royal Purple, the engines ran better and lasted longer.  That was five years ago.  Maybe Royal Purple has gotten better.  I don't know, never used the stuff.  I'll have to try the Motul ester based, or go back to Rotella if they make a 10/50.  Lately, all I've seen is 10/40 or 20/40.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2014, 10:31:23 am »
I've used Royal Purple since 1995 in five different bikes. The first was a 400 LC3 RXC; had to idle it down.  Zero problems on all.  When I did a top end on my 520 EXC after over 250 race hours, the piston still looked good.  I also use it in my Ranger.

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2015, 11:33:27 am »
For years, many of the guys over at CafeHusky have been using Mobile 1, based on the recommendation of guys from ZipTy Racing.  ZT is recommending the 0-40, even for my wife's 310 where the manual calls for 15-50. 

I've not heard anyone complain or post an oil related problem where they are using the Mobile 1 0-40.  I'm using it in both my 511 and her 310.  The 0-40 is called the European Auto formula or something like that.  I buy it at Walmart for about $23 for a five quart jug.  There have been no clutch issues whatsoever - NONE.  Our gearboxes / clutches are smooth as silk and very easy to feather.

ZT also recommends a stainless steel mesh oil filter as it filters better than paper and flows more oil with less restriction.

Consequently, I'm not a believer in $20 a quart oil - I'll use 0-40 or 10-50 Mobile 1 in my/our new 690's at the first oil change.

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2015, 05:31:07 pm »
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2015, 10:29:34 pm »
 The other issue is the availability of the brand you wish to use.  So it is nice to see more choices are out there to pick from. Here is another one to consider.

http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/motorcycle/synthetic-sae-10w-60-dirt-bike-oil/?code=DB60QT-EA
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2015, 01:00:10 pm »
I was looking around the net to find a dealer for the Ams Oil 10-60, rather than buy directly. Since it's a new oil, nobody has it yet. But I came across this site which shows you how to get Ams Oil at a dealer price. Might be worth it if you are buying for all of your vehicles.
http://www.thebestoil.com/WholesaleorRetail/
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #25 on: January 07, 2015, 03:37:43 pm »
good little find on Amsoil!
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #26 on: January 07, 2015, 08:20:29 pm »
The 10-60 is available from Amsoil. I just ordered some for my 690 and 800XC. I have used their oils off an on for years without any problems or surprises. Any oil that is close to the manufactures recommendation should be fine as long as it has the JASO MA/MA2 designation on the container.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2015, 10:18:20 pm »
Hi Folks:

Over on the Cafe Husky forum, there was a pretty detailed discussion of oil and what kind of oil is actually best for a bike.  It takes some time to read through this string of pages, but I know a heck of a lot more about oil than I did before.  I've changed oil to Mobile 1 0-40 in our Huskies and now the brand new KTM's - have also changed to Stainless Steel oil filters.  I know KTM recommends a 10-60 premium brand, but based on what I learned from this thread, a 10 weight is most likely too thick for start up - too much wear- and the 60 doesn't really do you any good at operating temperatures - having thinner oil at the same pressure means you are pumping a a greater volume and volume is what provides protection to moving parts and carries away heat.

Pretty interesting stuff for sure.  Mobile 1 0-40 is about $25 for a 5 QT jug at Walmart.

http://www.cafehusky.com/threads/what-kind-of-oil-should-i-use-and-how-much.31911/

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2015, 12:09:04 pm »
oil threads are so GAY...............But the above article is a good read....Thanks for posting
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