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Rusty Shovel

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10w60 Oil Alternatives
« on: February 19, 2014, 01:52:23 pm »
Sometimes it seems that just because we bought a premium-level bike, KTM keeps expecting us to pay premium-level prices for everything that goes into it.  Take, for instance, Motorex :



The cheapest I can find it is $63.99 + $8 shipping = $71.99 (4 liters) http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/motorex-cross-power-4t-oil-10w60/275-980135.aspx?catargetid=1808323781&cadevice=%7Bdevice%7D&gclid=CJX0obv52LwCFXNo7Aod9U0AQA&gclid=CJX0obv52LwCFXNo7Aod9U0AQA&jadid=6108136680&jap=%7Badposition%7D&jkId=gpt:pt_115707&js=1&jsid=36240&jt=1&jr=http://www.chaparral-racing.com/Product/motorex-cross-power-4t-oil-10w60/275-980135.aspx%3Fcatargetid%3D1808323781%26cadevice%3D%7Bdevice%7D&gclid=CJX0obv52LwCFXNo7Aod9U0AQA

But what about Motul 10w60?



It appears to be the same thing, but it's $47.53 + $0 shipping = $47.53  http://www.amazon.com/Motul-7100-Synthetic-Ester-Motor/dp/B002LGMARM/ref=sr_1_6?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1392838633&sr=1-6&keywords=10w60

I still think oil should be cheaper, but there's no way I'm spending $22 more just to stay with the brand printed on my engine!  I googled "ester technology" and learned this: 

Motul was the first lubricant manufacturer to use the ester technology for the formulation of its 100% synthetic car oils by capitalizing on an innovation first invented for the aviation industry.[citation needed] The vegetable-based esters benefit from lubricating properties, anti-shear quality and exceptional resistance to high temperatures.

So not only is Motul cheaper, is uses the same process to create it's oils as Motorex; I'm sold.
« Last Edit: February 19, 2014, 09:05:13 pm by Rusty Shovel »
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2014, 11:40:57 am »
I think so too. My buddy ran Motul in his high performance Honda MX bikes. Those things live on the rev meter. His engines never gave him problems. So as far as brand is concerned, ya, im switching over as well. Im running Motorex 10-50 right now while its cold. Gonna get the 10w-60 for the summer.  :P
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2014, 04:43:32 pm »
I am running Motorex 10W60 which cost about $16/liter at Rockymountainatv. I didn't seem terrible given it is synthetic and 3,000 mile oil change intervals. I chatted with one of the KTM reps in their booth at the Cleveland International Motorcycle Show. He told me that he always use Rotella in his personal bikes (KTMS) and hasn't had any problems at all. I bought my bike used and that is what the PO used also. I might switch over to Rotellla once I use up my Motorex stock.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2014, 10:30:11 pm »
I've had the same thoughts.  I've been running Rotellla in my 525 EXC (which has much more frequent oil changes) with no problems at all, and you can get it at Walmart.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2014, 02:27:24 pm »
I don't know... dropping from Motorex to Motul is one ****. .. but going from Motorex to Rotella, ya.... about that  :P.  I used Rotella in my 2 bangers, but I ain't putting that in my 690. I luv her too much to roll the dice like that.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2014, 07:31:54 pm »
The 'Motorex' sticker on the side of my case is starring at me  8); I might just have to get it - at least for a new bike...

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2014, 12:18:06 am »
My Motorex sticker was torn off in a crash.  My new clutch case didn't come with a sticker; I take that as permission to switch to Motul! ;D
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2014, 09:29:22 am »
So I ended up grabbing two liters of 60w for $40. Mostly outta convenience. I wanna do my valve check n' oil change now, not in another week. Couldn't find any Motul 60w here in town. Hampton Roads area sucks for bike shops. We got a Cycle Gear and a Honda shop... nearest KTM dealer is 200mi away in NC!  :P
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2014, 07:01:06 pm »
Couldn't find any Motul 60w here in town. Hampton Roads area sucks for bike shops.

I caught my KTM dealer using 10w50 on my last oil change.  They said it's all they used--primarily out of convenience.  I'm surprised a KTM dealer would take it upon themselves to disregard the manual.
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2014, 10:07:52 am »
Yup, no surprise there   >:( and that's why my bike will never see a shop unless I exhaust all other options.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2014, 07:42:32 am »
I've been using Royal PurpleŽ - High Performance Motor Oil. I've used it in all my bike since I put it in my 1995 KTM 400 LC4 RXC. It is great oil & O'Reilly Auto Parts for $9.79/qt.
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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2014, 09:37:24 pm »
$20 per qt... could care less. My pig deserves the best. :P

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2014, 09:22:29 am »
Saw recently that BelRay was new "Official" oil of Husky.  So now, ...

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2014, 02:01:52 am »
My thoughts on this....

I'm married to an engineer who works in the oil industry so I get to mix with people in the industry. I spoke to an oil specific chemist at a work function...he had a PhD in his field so he really knew his stuff.

The big deal he pointed me toward was just to change the oil more frequently than is specified. Don't get a crap $10 for 40 litres of something that had previously been used to cook up French fries, but the specified brand in the manual is there because that company paid to have its brand included as the factory recommendation.

He mentioned Shell oil was once the whizz bang go to spec stuff for ktm...and then 1 year another brand got the rec, even tho the motor hadn't changed, nor had the oil formula. Why? $$$$ that's why. Shell had apparently told them that the product could stand on its own reputation.

I went with a good quality ester oil. Many $$ cheaper, and it's a 15/50 synthetic. It's a pretty warm climate here so I don't need anything on the lower scale.

I should say I have had numerous Ktms, both 2 and 4 stroke. I've never used the oil ktm recommended, just a good quality, but much cheaper brand.
I ride my bikes hard in tough desert condition in temps well in excess of 100 degrees for much of the time.
I have never blown a motor...although I frequently boiled them.
I ran the exc's well over 30 000 kilometres before rebuilds.

Just my philosophy....I always say, " I buy my bikes to ride, not to pose on". So they don't get much love I'm afraid!

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Re: 10w60 Oil Alternatives
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2014, 07:31:23 pm »
That was how it worked with cars.  More frequent oil changes was always better than "the best money can buy".