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Technical => Rally Conversions => Topic started by: Winna on October 26, 2014, 03:19:50 am


Title: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on October 26, 2014, 03:19:50 am
Gday Fellas, been lurking here for a while and have been waiting for someone to post up some Rally Conversion photo's. Well I suppose someone has gotta be first, so it might as well be me….

Attached are some images of a project I have been working on for a while call HARD kits made locally in Australia. It incorporates 2 nine litre fuel tanks, fairing and bash plate heavily designed off the genuine 690RFR factory rally bikes. The additional weight is low and forward which considerably improves the handling characteristics of the bike and I reckon they look pretty horn too.

Check it out and tell me what you think

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Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: SDMF_Reaps on October 26, 2014, 11:37:23 am
Hi,

That looks good!

If you change you're ( ) to [ ] the pics will show in your post.
Thanks for sharing and welcome to the forum.

Edit:

Whoops you were right, I didn't notice it was a link in your original post.  You need to right click on the picture in question, click on 'copy image url' and then use the img code.

Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on October 26, 2014, 06:15:47 pm
Hi SDMF_Reaps, I changed the brackets over and it only shows crosses in boxes, I can build bikes but cant drive a computer to save my life.

Thanks
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Rusty Shovel on October 27, 2014, 04:02:08 pm
Hey Winna,

I hope you don't mind, I modified your post so the pics would work.  I've never done this directly before, but I've really been wanting folks to share their rally conversions, so I couldn't help it.

The problem was that you were using the URL for the webpage the photos were posted on, rather than the pictures themselves.  Next time you wanna share pics, and I suggest you do, right-click on the photo itself, select "copy image address" from the pop-up menu and paste that in between the bracketed html codes.

Clear as mud?

PM me if it continues to give you trouble.

Great looking bike, btw.

Rusty
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on October 27, 2014, 05:21:24 pm
Thanks Rusty for that, I've got a heap more images of the bike and components that I'll post when I get a chance.

Darren
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Rockitboy on October 28, 2014, 04:27:54 pm
I like that its renamed a "700RR".  Cool looking bike man.  Does it really make the bike handle better? The 690 is a pretty well balanced bike to begin with. Looks like a lot of forward weight there especially after gas.. Have you put some miles or km on it?  How much weight does the kit add? Was the suspension reworked for the added weight?   
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on October 28, 2014, 05:31:10 pm
Gday Rockitboy, yeah I liked the sound of 700RR, lots of people have asked if the engine has been modified to justify the name, but no, its just the same as the 530 is a 505 the 640ADV is a 625 and the 660 Rally is a 654 and the 690 Rally is a 654 as well.
As far as handling better it sure does, as an adventure bike.
Having a bike that will carry 30litres of fuel and luggage and still handle well was the challenge and there is nothing on the market that comes close except for a genuine 690 Rally, and that is what the kit is based on.
I figured KTM Rally team must be doing something right in their engineering design and principles of weight distribution for the best handling bike in off road conditions.
My biggest challenge was re positioning the fuel pump from the rear tank into the front tank so the fuel system could gravity feed forward, but the benefit is also easy access on the side of the track, lay the bike over and 8 bolts later the fuel pump is out and no loss of fuel, a 5 minute job.
Opposed to accessing the pump in the rear tank which usually consists of removing pannier racks, exhaust, battery tray and then you lose most of your valuable fuel.
The kit adds about 12 kilos to the bike dry, from 138 kilos to 150 kilos, you are correct in assuming the suspension needing to be upgraded.
The test bike did about 20,000ks and there is about 40 odd kits circulating around Australia now, with a number of them doing Coast to Coast which is about 6500ks of some pretty hard conditions.
I better get back to my day job now, before I kick a kick in the arse.

Thanks Darren
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Guymcfly on October 29, 2014, 06:48:04 am
Did you keep the stock gear set or go for the rather nice, although rather pricey replacement trans that can be sourced?
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on October 29, 2014, 08:09:29 am
Nah mate, haven't changed the gear set, although first does seem a bit tall for the technical riding.
Like so many of us, I got tired of waiting for KTM to build the 690 Adventurer, and went about building my own.
The kit is 100% bolt on, no welding or modifications to the original bike, fits 08 to 14 models, and from there the usual bolt on stuff is added like steering stabilisers, mufflers, grip warmers, GPS, power sockets, spot tracker, LED light bars and the list goes on to make an awesome adventure bike that can do it all.
I'm getting too old for lifting and man handling those big twins these days but still love my riding and this thing ticks the boxes for me.
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Rusty Shovel on October 29, 2014, 10:32:10 pm
I hear you Winna!  Why do the manufacturers keep pushing folks into "adventure-styled" Goldwings?  Easy.  Big bike = Big $$$ :(
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on October 29, 2014, 10:55:17 pm
Ha ha Rusty, your telling me.
Market share mate is what I've been told, and BMW has it, 80% plus of the Adventure market, bet Mr KTM wished he gave "The Long Way Round" boys a couple of KTMs when they asked for them!
Adventure riding is snowballing globally thanks to the long way round and its such a pity so many guys that want to experience it think that they should be on a BMW, they are riding big heavy pigs without the same riding pleasure experienced on a more nimble bike, be that a DR650 or KTM 690.
Of course they carry everything plus the kitchen sink to make the bike even more unrideable, each to their own I spose.
Keep it light as possible I say, a swag, a change of jocks and socks, a quart cup and a camelback and a couple of cans of chunky stew and I'm set for adventure, the only time you need to head for a town is for fuel, **** and more cans of stew!!

Thanks mate
Darren
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Richo360 on October 30, 2014, 12:11:41 am
Hey all, was on the phone to Winna last night and he asked me to stick up a post or two as an owner of this kit to give my feedback.
As the previous owner of an 07 640adv with a few mods, I was looking for something newer to get around on. the old girl was good, but clunky, fat, and old school, which isnt always a bad thing I guess..
I had eyed off rally raid UK kits for a while, and also looked closely at a few other options before the HARD kit appeared online and in a few local magazines, and I was won. What really swayed my decision was the fuel capacity, where its carried, and it being a local producer.
A clean 690r was sourced from a mate who upgraded, and the kit purchased from Winna- what really impressed me was the ease of fitment and quality of parts. The most fiddly bit was battery and electrical removal to access the fuel pump and sender etc from the rear tank, to be relocated to the front RH tank.
Everything else was a bolt on, or plug in.
Note this is the 'series 1' kit that was first released..... the later one (in Winna's pic above) has had some relatively minor changes and upgrades.
After some 5000+ km's now I have had zero issues- nothing rubs, nothing has broken, nothing has moved.
What I started with: an '09, but with '12 suspension, Wings muffler, heated grips, '12 plastic
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r287/pumpkinandsqueak/700r%20build/IMG_3542_zps7fb46df6.jpg) (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/pumpkinandsqueak/media/700r%20build/IMG_3542_zps7fb46df6.jpg.html)

After the conversion, which took around 16 hours all up at my own plodding pace
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(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r287/pumpkinandsqueak/700r%20build/IMG_4097_zpsb029142c.jpg) (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/pumpkinandsqueak/media/700r%20build/IMG_4097_zpsb029142c.jpg.html)
(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r287/pumpkinandsqueak/700r%20build/IMG_4105_zps41b67cef.jpg) (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/pumpkinandsqueak/media/700r%20build/IMG_4105_zps41b67cef.jpg.html)

In answer to some of the questions above:
The panniers are made by Winna's associate, Craig Hartley of Dalby Moto in Queensland..... compared to almost every other set of pannier frames, they carry the weight further forward and lower, which is good for weight distribution and to get the stress off the rear tank. The frames connect to both upper and lower rear peg mounts too for strength.
Ive added a white front guard as I liked that look. A personal thing. In a similar manner, 1 1/4" bar risers and Pastrana bend Pro tapers feel a lot better, esp when standing.
I added a 6" Aurora lightbar for better offroad vision- that said, the 2 x Hella Projecta lights with the kit are about a 100% improvement over the stock KTM lamp.
In terms of suspension, the front forks were revalved as stock I found they were really harsh over smaller stuff, in the initial movement of the stroke. I added 6.0 WP springs, and the rear was left unchanged but with a 220 /90 spring. I weigh about 200lbs- say 215 with all my gear and this set up nails it. Motor unchanged, but Ive recently put a Evo airbox lid on and a Unifilter for better breathing.
It shows great balance... I love this thing in sand, even with panniers loaded. Fuel range is around 550kms / 350 miles.
Compared to a 'stock' 690r, the forward and low fuel load means it climbs hills far easier, with the front sticking to the ground.
The only negative I found is i cooked my KTM Rally pants on the exhaust trying to hook the sidestand down with my foot- will weld a loop onto the stand for easier access, and the pants have been patched with suede leather on the inner calf area.

Any further questions, ask away.

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(http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r287/pumpkinandsqueak/Licola%20riding/IMG_4415_zps012ca9d4.jpg) (http://s147.photobucket.com/user/pumpkinandsqueak/media/Licola%20riding/IMG_4415_zps012ca9d4.jpg.html)
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Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Guymcfly on October 30, 2014, 02:58:24 am
[quote Nah mate, haven't changed the gear set, although first does seem a bit tall for the technical riding.[/quote]

I don't find the 15/45 too tall even for really gnarly stuff. The bike has enough grunt to lug itself out of anything with a little clutch and throttle control. As a buddy of mine is often saying, "if it's to tall for tight single and moonscape, you ain't riding fast enough!"
I mean more for the highway sections which inevitably arise when one starts adventure riding as opposed to trail riding. I find 6th just to low to even consider using this bike as an adv beast. I don't think Ktm meant it to be adv'd with its trans spread.
As too whether they were ever going to release a proper adv version, I have my doubts. I think the brand never sold enough of the 640 (in global terms) to warrant going that way again. I really think they decided to stick with what they do best, enduro, mx, and rallye machines with a nod to street machines, mostly for the Euro market.
Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Guymcfly on October 31, 2014, 08:12:37 am
I gotta say tho', that's a smokin' looking bike...
Title: Price and Availability? Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: 3Rrr on November 25, 2014, 02:30:48 pm
What is the kit weight, and weight installed and fueled? 

Is the kit available for purchase and delivery to the US?  The FB page was fairly limited in information? 

I'd be interested in hearing more, including if the kit is all inclusive with luggage pannier's, skid plate, etc.

Title: Re: HARD kit 700RR
Post by: Winna on November 25, 2014, 05:06:46 pm
Good morning 3Rrr, the kits have been under development to this stage for almost two years now and with the new series 2 we have made a number of improvements and streamlined our manufacturing techniques.
the kit we fitted to the bike comes in around 150 kilos, taking into account the original parts that get removed, with a fuel capacity of 30 litres, but that doesn't mean you have to ride the bike full of fuel all the time, the standard 12 litre tank quite often can be enough for day ride, and the benefit with the fuel tanks is if you put 12-15 litres in the bike all the weight is forward and low down near your feet.
The kits come complete, other than the pannier rack and rear carrier rack, which is a must in my opinion if your going to put a decent load on, as they add strength to the subframe/tank and are simply the best rack available for the 690 bar none and are designed to carry the load further forward centralising the weight for better handling.
The kit comes with all the wiring looms required to move the headlights the reserve sender the fuel pump and spare accessories power
Complete fairing and dash assembly
All mounting bracket for the fairing tanks and bash plate
Low exhaust and bracket
2 @ 9 litre fuel tanks complete with removable crash guards
Bash plate and navigation tower assembly complete.
The kits are a complete bolt on unit with no cutting or welding required or mechanical changes to the bike.
They are and will be available internationally early next year, we are fulfilling and order of 20 now for Australian customers.
The demand has been overwhelming to date and we are working around the clock to keep up with production, thus the lack of a web page.
If you have any questions please shoot me an email darren@hardkits.com and I will be more than happy to answer any questions.
Thank you Darren