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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2014, 06:13:31 am »
no 15 minute rule, the factory 02 is out of the circuit, did you calibrate the throttle position sensor?

Use the map I emailed you. Use the 2 and 3 degree timing table, it will run hotter advanced, not a bad thing, make sure you use 93 octane

A slip-on will not do much unless you cut the air box, letting it breath out requires letting it breath in....

Make sure the POT under the seat is set at #2

« Last Edit: August 15, 2014, 07:40:51 am by GSP »

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2014, 09:47:50 am »
Thanks for the help!  I've been out of the loop for a few days.  I installed an Evo 1 air box lid from KTMparts because it is easily reversible.  While the Wings muffler added some bass, the more open airbox lid added some sub-woofer. I have the short, quietest, insert in the muffler, so it is not too loud. I don't particularly care for the sound the pipe makes on rolloff, but I will live with it: it still sounds better than the stock muffler and weighs 6 lb. less.  I loaded GSP's second auto-tuned map. I seems to perform nicely with a nice mid-range hit. Since a lot of my riding thus far has been put-putting from stoplight to stoplight in the city, it still runs hot-ish, as I described earlier.  Maybe that's just the way it is; however, I am considering changing the spark advance in the above table to zero up to and including 4000 rpm and 40% throttle. This is where most of this slow hot riding is, so maybe it will run a bit cooler there as a result.

I didn't calibrate the throttle yet, but I will.  The pot under the seat has been at 3 for precision in slow going.  I understand from another thread here that the difference between 2 and 3 is only how much throttle opening there is per grip-twist (for lack of a better term), and there is no difference in the ignition or fuel mapping.  If it really needs to be on 2, please let me know.  This thread has been a lot of help!
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2014, 01:04:18 pm »
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Since a lot of my riding thus far has been put-putting from stoplight to stoplight in the city, it still runs hot-ish, as I described earlier.  Maybe that's just the way it is; however, I am considering changing the spark advance in the above table to zero up to and including 4000 rpm and 40% throttle. This is where most of this slow hot riding is, so maybe it will run a bit cooler there as a result.

While there is a correlation to ignition timing and heat, it's not the main determining factor. 99% of modern FI vehicles run a hotter temp (Normal Operating Temp) to assist in cutting emissions and maintain "complete" fuel burn. The often lean condition on our bikes due to high AFR's *probably* causes the most heat  more than acceptable timing increases I would think. Timing has a particular influence over EGT (exhaust temp) and temp in the head, but don't expect lowering the timing to drop the temp 2-3 bars under normal conditions. The cooling systems are designed for the higher temps. The super high temp fan switch also plays a role, which is why many ADV riders change it out with a lower one (185-190 suzuki IIRC). And if you're put-putting around, there may not be much air moving through the radiator.

If it feels good, I'd say watch the plugs and leave it be. That mid-range punch you feel is likely the timing increase.

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #33 on: September 03, 2014, 10:39:52 pm »
I'm new to the forum and would like to thank GSP for sending me his Map from his auto tune and PCV. It was a great starting point for the shop that dynoed and mapped my 2014 Enduro r yesterday. I have a Wings can, rally cam, and K&N filter from the EVO2 kit. I haven't picked up my bike or results yet, but I think he said it put out 65.4 hp at the rear wheel.
I run 93 octane non-ethanol fuel. I will post more information when I get my bike and will share the map with anyone that would like to have it.

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2014, 08:44:30 am »
Thanks man, that's a DAMN good number at the tire

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #35 on: September 04, 2014, 12:08:02 pm »
Sorry guys, I misunderstood Conrad the dyno man yesterday. My bike put out 63.07 hp and 47.77 ft-lbs torque at the rear wheel. He did say that GSP's map was really good. He really only had to make timing and fueling adjustments in the upper rpm ranges to tune for the Rally cam.

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #36 on: September 04, 2014, 12:27:31 pm »
I would like to thank GSP, and dasklein, as well.  My goal here is to eliminate the heat caused by the excessively lean condition provided stock. Anything else is icing on the cake.  Currently I have the Wings can and the KTM EVO1 airbox lid. I'm running GSP's auto-tuned map with the negative fuel mixture values changed to zero and timing changed to zero up to 4000 rpm.

Meacham, I'd be interested in your map, so please post!  Is your cam the one that comes with the EVO2 kit?  I wonder what it does to the power band compared to stock. Curious.

... David

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #37 on: September 04, 2014, 01:50:56 pm »
Maribo,
It is the cam with the evo 2 kit. I have the dyno sheet and map if you would send me an e-mail to return it to you. The dyno is on an adobe scan and the map is on a PCV file. I couldn't post it on this site.
My e-mail is cedarcitydiesel@charter.net
I just sent GSP the PCV file

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #38 on: September 05, 2014, 08:56:28 am »
Nice work man... How much timing advance did they go? I also wonder if the knobby tire might slip on dyno and your putting out more than recorded, I bet he let out some air?
Im ready to buy the cam. :)
« Last Edit: September 05, 2014, 09:08:59 am by GSP »

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #39 on: September 05, 2014, 11:10:13 am »
GSP,
I had already installed Pirelli Scorpion AT MT90 tires. They are incredible. No slipping on the Dyno. Conrad advanced timing 7 degrees between 4000 to 9500 rpm. He wants me to be cautious about fuel quality and wants me to check my plugs for a while. He said that with this timing my bike produced the best results and the smoothest power. KEVTXT from Australia said "Wow that's big ignition advance for that cam, you will have to pull that back a bit if you run most static compression". KEVTXT is really brilliant in the arena of KTM's. I'll watch things closely.
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #40 on: September 05, 2014, 12:38:40 pm »
yea, I was getting a mild ping (detonation) at 4 degrees but running 10% alcohol in 93 octane, only good fuel I can get around here, not up to buying aftermarket fuel yet. I would rip around without a helmet to listen close when I was playing with the timing. Noisy motor all the time but when it pings, you can hear it.
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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2014, 06:06:20 pm »
Just updated my fuel trims, new map now available, changed slightly from last one, email me if you want a copy:
gsp171@mchsi.com

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #42 on: April 12, 2015, 03:56:00 pm »
What is the learning curve like to come up to speed on the PCV?  Is the "out of the box" behavior ok or does a guy need to massage it significantly to run right?

Is there anything the ECU reflash to a map with more fueling will do that the PCV won't do?

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #43 on: April 12, 2015, 05:03:51 pm »
Hey GSP! 

There's some great info here.  Thanks.

I've been running stock intake with the Wings exhaust, and I've been happy with it but...hmmm, 60+ horses at the wheel?  Sounds fun.  I may have to save some coin and take the plunge.

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Re: New Slip On and PC5 on 2014
« Reply #44 on: April 13, 2015, 09:36:05 am »
Rusty Shovel,
  The Evo2 Air Intake and Cam with the PCV is an amazing combination. You will lose a little bottom end but at 4500 to red line  :o :o :o.
I have gone to the next step and installed a Rally Raid high compression piston. It takes the engine from 11.7:1 to 13.5:1. With 93 octane non ethanol fuel and dyno time we could never end detonation. I'm now running vp114 with no head work and noise reducer. 70.05 rear wheel hp and 52.13 ft lbs torque. My previous setup was perfect and now I'm limited to an unbelievably fun 100 mile round trip and very expensive fuel costs. I will be going back.
Meacham